Jim Meade Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 Where is the fire extinquisher in the CTLS? I'm wondering if I should add one to my CTSW. I'm not convinced I need it, but this post isn't about that. This post is about where and how it is mounted/installed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 There should be one behind the right seat in your airplane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Lee Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 If you carry a passenger the extinguisher is required. You should have one in all US CT's. I don't like mine behind the seat. Too hard to get too. Mine is in the passenger foot-well and it's a 5 b-c and not a 2.5 b-c. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Bozo Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 Roger, Is the B-C because the A is harmful to aircraft structure? Larry Flying Bozo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Lee Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 An "A" rated extinguisher is only for class A materials like paper and wood, ect... It is usually just water and isn't meant for flammable liquids or electrical fires (B-C). There are some extinguishers that say A-B-C. While knocking down flames it is always best to have something that will bring the ignition temp of the material down below its burning point. No vapor production usually means no burning. You need an extinguisher that says at least B-C and I prefer 5 B-C. I think after 30 years of firefighting experience ()Retired) that 2.5 B-C is too small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Bozo Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 OK thanks, Roger, that clears up some questions. I also have a hard time reaching the one behind the passenger's seat. I will try to fit somewhere else like you did. Larry Flying Bozo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Meade Posted December 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 There is no fire extinquisher in my plane, and I wonder if there ever was. Is the one you refer to mounted or loose or in a pocket or how is it secured? If I have to put one in, I will put one where I can reach it with my harness on. I noted the LOA on the other FE which we can use so I will take a look at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Baker Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 There is no fire extinquisher in my plane, and I wonder if there ever was. Is the one you refer to mounted or loose or in a pocket or how is it secured? If I have to put one in, I will put one where I can reach it with my harness on. I noted the LOA on the other FE which we can use so I will take a look at that. Jim, the original goes in a pouch on the back of the passenger seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Baker Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 Roger, with it getting colder are the Tundra extinguishers OK to be left in the plane with freezing weather? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Lee Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 Hi Tom, I don't know for 100%, but they should be. It would be interesting to try one when it was zero degrees outside. My bet is it will work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitten192 Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 If you carry a passenger the extinguisher is required. You should have one in all US CT's. I don't like mine behind the seat. Too hard to get too. Mine is in the passenger foot-well and it's a 5 b-c and not a 2.5 b-c. Why is it required? I have one but did not realize that there was a "requirement". What is it? Ernie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Meade Posted December 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 There is no pouch on the back of either seat and no fire extinquisher anywhere else. I guess mounting one will be part of my refurbishment project this winter. I'm also wondering where it says they are mandatory. I know they are for part 135. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Lee Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 Hi Jim, Forget the pouch. It is too hard and too inaccessible in a hurry. Put it in the passenger foot-well compartment. It is easy to get to in an emergency and if you need an extinguisher that is what you already have, an emergency and need it 1 minute ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Meade Posted December 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2011 I don't think I'll put it in either footwell compartment. They tend to be used for other things, as well, including required papers, and if I need a fire extinquisher I don't want to have to lean over and dig it out of whatever pile of stuff is crammed in there. I'm not sure where I'll put it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Koerner Posted December 11, 2011 Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 Jim, Ours is mounted to the aft wall of the footwell. It's easy to get at. I don't think your papers can be jamed in so tight you couldn't pull the extinquisher out in a hurry. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Lee Posted December 11, 2011 Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 The foot well is an excellent place to put it. It accepts the slightly larger 5 B-C and the most important aspect is it is quickly available. You can move other things out of the foot well. I store other things in with the extinguisher, the foot well does not need to be empty. It can still hold other things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Meade Posted December 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2011 How do you envision using the extinquisher in the plane? Dash fire? Fire wall fire? Under panel fire? What is going to burn, how will it get started, can you put it out with the fire extinquisher? The reason I'm asking is: 1. Do we need one so we don't burn up? 2. Do we need one legally (that question is still open and so far I think the answer is no) 3. What kind (type) do we need and how big must it be? If I need one, maybe I'll think of mounting it in the baggage compartment with a lanyard like the BRS trigger and have a long nozzle in the cabin to direct where I need it. Go ahead, laugh - my questions remain as to what the function of the device is because that informs us on the other questions. Sorry to "start over" but it seemed like a good time to review the bidding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Lee Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 Part 91 of the FARs does not require that light-piston GA aircraft carry fire extinguishers, although they are required in commercial operations, for large(more than 12,500 pounds) and turbine-powered multiengine airplanes and in transport-category aircraft. But FD does require it and that locks you in. SLSA is not GA. It belongs in the cockpit when installed. All Ct's came with a fire extinguisher unless someone took it out. The key to any fire is to knock it down asap. Putting it in the baggage compartment negates that function and it is there for your personal protection. An electrical fire could catch the fuel lines in the instrument panel on fire and your done without some help. Why not just spend the $15 and put it in? It's for your personal protection and the aircraft's. If you have been to as many engine fires as I have over the last 30 years as a firefighter you wouldn't be without one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Meade Posted December 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 Where does FD require it? (And I'm ELSA, anyway, so it doesn't apply to me). I bought my CTSW used, but a fellow CTSW owner looked at my seat back today and confirmed there is no pocket there. He has the taller seat back and has a pocket. As far as I can tell, there was never a fire extinquisher in the plane I bought. The previous owner was a bit anal about that sort of thing and I'd be surprised if one had come with the plane and he didn't include it. My comment about putting one in the baggage compartment was clearly stated. I see no reason why a fire extinquisher with a hose on it couldn't be mounted anywhere and still direct the foam where it needs to go. Not that I'm all that serious about doing it that way. I think we're is getting into the realm of personal preferences so I'm not going to beat a dead horse about where I would or would not put the device, as it's been clearly stated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Baker Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 Jim, did your airplane come from LSA North originally? I know they had a couple airplanes with low back cloth seats done up in leather by some one local. If this is one of those airplanes then the holder for the extinguisher might not have been put in. Also if the cover or whole seat was replaced it might of had a left installed in the right side. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Meade Posted December 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 Tom, My seats are either leather or a good substitute. Black. They certainly look professionally done. This plane came out of Oklahoma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Koerner Posted December 16, 2011 Report Share Posted December 16, 2011 Without sounding too dramatic, I'd like to explain why I have a fire extinguisher. If the engine quits, for any reason; I'll pick a clearing within glide, land and walk away. If the engine quits over unlandable terrain; I’ll pull the chute and walk away. If I have a major electrical malfunction; I'll find an airport, land and walk away. If I have a catastrophic control failure; I'll pull the chute and walk away. If I have a structural failure: I'll pull the chute and walk away. If I’m in IFR conditions and low on fuel, I’ll pull the chute and walk away. If I have a fire; I can't pull the chute. I’ll dive for the ground and hope to hold the flames off with the fire extinguisher long enough to get clear of the plane. Without the extinguisher, I'm dead. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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