Craig Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 Mogas trailer <$500: http://www.cozy1200.com/geeklog/article.php?story=2012101223232727 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Lee Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 Her clothes material and shoes may have played a part in this. Even after it flashed all she had to do was cut off the oxygen from the tank because it was too rich to burn down inside and the nozzle when it shut off took care of it self. Even this wouldn't have burnt your plane down. Plus you should have an extinguisher at hand any way. Just don't let this girl refuel your plane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted June 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 Mogas trailer <$500: http://www.cozy1200.com/geeklog/article.php?story=2012101223232727 Thanks Craig...now I can put you to work helping me scrounge the parts and build it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 Thanks Craig...now I can put you to work helping me scrounge the parts and build it! I'll check my "list". It's all out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chanik Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 Her clothes material and shoes may have played a part in this. Even after it flashed all she had to do was cut off the oxygen from the tank because it was too rich to burn down inside and the nozzle when it shut off took care of it self. Even this wouldn't have burnt your plane down. Plus you should have an extinguisher at hand any way. Just don't let this girl refuel your plane. Always young people too. Older people consistently use at least one hand to brace themselves with the door frame as they exit a car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandpiper Posted June 28, 2013 Report Share Posted June 28, 2013 Always young people too. Older people consistently use at least one hand to brace themselves with the door frame as they exit a car. I represent that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Cesnalis Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 I use a fuel trailer with a 13gal/min pump. I went ahead and upgraded my equipment. Not cheap but I got a 20' Reel to bolt to my fuel trailer and an alligator clip to bond to my CT. I also got a coiled ground that plugs into the reel and clamps onto the hangar. My old equipment was homemade and too light duty. This stuff costs ~$500 http://www.gndzero.com/grounding_mech_ground_clamps.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug G. Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 Now the only question is, is your nozzle grounded/bonded to the rest of it? I suspect it is, but I also suspect that some of the stuff sold out there is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug G. Posted July 1, 2013 Report Share Posted July 1, 2013 I would like to have a trailer, but I am certain the airport/FBO would not like it. The other option would be a tank in my pickup, but it is a short box and I don't want to take up that much since it gets used for other things. Guess I'll stick to my tough jugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastEddieB Posted July 2, 2013 Report Share Posted July 2, 2013 My hangar in Copperhill is about 2 years old. It was built with a central grounding point, recessed into the floor: And a grounding cable: BTW, I do ground my Sky Arrow before filling it from plastic jugs. I have done so in the hangar up to now, but this thread has probably convinced me to at least wheel it out of the hangar each time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug G. Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 Just thinking about this issue. Does anyone have a problem using a metal dip stick for measuring the fuel in their tanks. It would seem that this would have the same issues. I am beginning to think that the issue here is power equipment, devices that use fuel hoses, and vehicles that have tires. (Yes, clothing can have an effect, but bonding does not eliminate that.) Metal cans have been used since the beginning of aviation. There are many pictures of WWII planes being fueled from 50 gal. drums with hand crank pumps - no bonding in sight. Is it safer, I suppose, kinda like taking your shoes off at the airport though. It seems with cans or jugs reasonable precautions are sufficient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Lee Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 Hi Doug, " It seems with cans or jugs reasonable precautions are sufficient." You got my vote. Driving a car is more dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Cesnalis Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 That's a convenient and cost effective solution. 15 gal / min fills a wing in ~ 1 min. I don't have a meter so I have learned to count seconds 'one thousand one, one thousand two'. You want a bonding cable for sure, one in a reel would be cool but expensive. The next line of defense would be a cable to ground as well. I notice fuel trucks don't use those anymore just the bond to the aircraft. With your truck on rubber tires I don't think your tank is grounded. Mogas is our solution today but 93 ethanol free is something I will pay extra for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Meade Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 If we get 93 octane things will likely be OK, but if we just got an additional 87 octane (would handle nearly all STC'd engines) and 91 octane for Rotax, we might have some stale fuel, if any is worried. The gas station is very unlikely to ever get stale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Cesnalis Posted August 17, 2013 Report Share Posted August 17, 2013 It wasn't cheap but I now have bonding and ground with good quality equipment as pictured above. BTW if the fuel gets old I pump it into my sports car, if it gets really old I pump it into my pick up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastEddieB Posted August 18, 2013 Report Share Posted August 18, 2013 You want a bonding cable for sure, one in a reel would be cool but expensive. I know this is an old thread, but... I had a reel-type extension cord in my old hangar. One time I hooked up too many space heaters to it, and upon blowing the outlet's breaker, I discovered it had melted internally and shorted. So, I cut off the female end, twisted the three wires together and screwed on a large alligator clip. Did the same to the plug end and clamped that to a good hangar ground. No reason why this would not be a cheap(er) solution to a reeled bonding cable. Anyway, works for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug G. Posted August 18, 2013 Report Share Posted August 18, 2013 It would be interesting to know what the resistance is between the exhaust pipe and the fuel filler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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