Roger Lee Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 Here is a picture of the BRS 12 year rocket replacement kit. You build it from the ground up. You will need a vise and be able to read. Fairly easy, but if your mechanic can't get the plug gap right, set a prop pitch or know how to check the friction on the gearbox you may want to let someone else do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Baker Posted November 13, 2017 Report Share Posted November 13, 2017 In Flight Design airframe training we took one apart and put it back together, but that has been 10 years ago. I don't remember it being to difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runtoeat Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 We discussed this a while ago and if I recall correctly, we left off where we were discussing the fact that the whole rocket doesn't need to be replaced, just the two pucks inside the housing. If I recall further, there were some (Tom and Roger?) that felt that anyone with a small amount of training in removing and installing these pucks would be capable of servicing our rockets locally. Can the proper technique be obtained by our mechanics and can our rockets be serviced by them, once they are knowledgeable on the procedure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Lee Posted November 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 The kit above is what everyone with a CT will receive for their rocket replacement. It will come in two boxes. It is the entire rocket assembly that you take off before sending the chute back for a re-pack plus the cable holder that the cable runs up into. The instructions are good with pictures. It shouldn't be an issue except for those that can't get a spark plug gap correct. Just make sure they put the screw that is attached to the igniter in the end slot and put the screw through the eye of the cable. I have seen people put the cable eye on the outside of the screw and crush it and or not get the screw through the cable eye at all.. Piece of cake. What's the worst that can happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runtoeat Posted November 14, 2017 Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 Thanks Roger. What's the cost with shipping? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Lee Posted November 14, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2017 Ask Bill Ince. When he sees this he may chime in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anticept Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 $1400 to $1800. I know a few years back it was only $1250 plus shipping, but they since increased rates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runtoeat Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 Arggghhhh! Can we go back to our previous discussion a few months ago about just replacing pucks instead of the whole assembly?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WmInce Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 It is my recent understanding, BRS will not sell parts (BRS 1350) for a rocket which has timed out, at 12 years. The whole rocket, as Roger posted with the photo, must be replaced. The BRS tech, Derek, indicated that due to hardware improvements and incompatibility issues, that is the only way they will sell the kits. Another issue was liability. They would rather just have the entire rocket unit replaced, rather than piecing a unit together (bastardizing), as a serious BRS safety device. I do not believe there is a monetary motive for that position (YMMV). If the parachute repack is done concurrently with rocket replacement, the current combined cost is $1980 (excluding shipping). The parachute and rocket are shipped separately. For my particular situation, shipping for each was $150, one way. The rocket is shipped by ground only (as an explosive). I requested FedEx 2nd Day Air for shipping the parachute (at approx. 35 lbs.). If the parachute repack and rocket are not purchased at the same time, the combined cost is approximately $400 more. You get a price break for replacing both at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 Can we mount the old rocket under the wing for ground attack missions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runtoeat Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 Thanks Bill. Based on comments I've read, I was under the assumption that the replacement of the rocket pucks was a simple procedure and could be done "in the field". It appears that there is more to the rebuild of the rocket than I thought. Consequently, I now understand why BRS must protect itself from liability and will not ship components but only the complete system. The expenses are reasonable when the complete rocket motor is involved and, like you, I don't see BRS taking this position to "make money". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WmInce Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 One other thing I would like to mention. Due to my extraordinary circumstances, BRS shipped my parachute back to me 2 days after they received it. They usually return a repack in less than 2 weeks. But for my special needs, they went above and beyond. I really appreciate that. Excellent service from BRS. Point of contact is: Derek Kuefler BRS Aerospace Inc. – www.brsaerospace.com 380 Airport Rd · South St. Paul, MN 55075 · USA Phone: 651-294-3275 / 651-457-7491 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ct9000 Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 7 hours ago, FlyingMonkey said: Can we mount the old rocket under the wing for ground attack missions? No it goes in the tail and is renamed JATO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 1 hour ago, ct9000 said: No it goes in the tail and is renamed JATO Sweet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runtoeat Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 Ed, are you getting any ideas from Andy and Ct9000? Might be a way to give your CT a little "boost" to fight those mountain waves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rookie Posted December 4, 2017 Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 Just finished installing my re packed chute and new rocket. Cost was $ 2130, didn't include shipping since I delivered and picked up the unit. For those within driving range of St. Paul I would recommend doing it that way, not just to save the $ 150 dollar shipping charge but to take the plant tour and learn more about the chute and particularly the rocket. Very interesting. When you open the package it's just as the picture Roger posted. The instruction DVD that came with was it was primarily directed toward a new generic installation and didn't address the rocket assembly, how ever the BRS Rocket Assembly instruction sheet on line was very helpful. My only criticism of it was the pictures and narrative were rarely on the same page. Not a big deal but not the best way to write instructions, particularly for rocket assembly. I saved the box with all the packing if anyone can use it to ship their unit back for repack, probably wouldn't cost much to send and empty box. Let me know if anyone can use it. By the way, whenever Roger says " no big deal" I generally roll my eyes but in this case it was pretty straight forward. As always I take copious pictures as I remove things to be sure It looks the same when I reassemble. Paid off big time at the 5 year hose change. al meyer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Lee Posted December 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2017 Hi Al, Glad to hear from you. Hope all is well. Happy Holidays to you and the family. If you roll your eyes in lies the problem. You missed the fine print. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runtoeat Posted December 5, 2017 Report Share Posted December 5, 2017 Al, if you have any interesting or informative pictures, please share them with us. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rookie Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 Hi Dick, no interesting pictures, I just make a habit of taking pictures of everything before dissamby so I can reference it when I reassemble . You might be interested in reviewing the BRS Rocket assembly document on line, gives you a good idea of the components and configuration. al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WmInce Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 On 11/14/2017 at 7:05 AM, Runtoeat said: . . . What's the cost with shipping? The rocket must be shipped via ground transportation. Since it contains rocket fuel, the shipment is considered an explosive. FedEx delivered a new rocket (12th year) back to us within a week, St. Paul, Mn. to Tucson. $150. Shipping explosive material is expensive. In my particular case, I requested expedited handling for my BRS repack. They worked with me and honored my request. From the time they received my chute, they shipped it back to me in 3 working days. Cost for 2nd day air, FedEx, was another $150. The chute is shipped in a brand new box, with appropriate packing materials, so it can be used again. Each time BRS receives a chute, it is sent back with a new, cardboard box. I left my box with Roger, so he can use it again for the next guy. My total cost from BRS was $2280, which included a new rocket, a parachute repack and expedited shipping. I have no complaints at all. Service from BRS was excellent. Besides that, I had a great mechanic (Roger Lee LSA Service) remove, assemble the new rocket and re-install the entire unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runtoeat Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 Thanks for the info Bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMcCand - N248CT Posted December 2, 2018 Report Share Posted December 2, 2018 KEEP THE LAUNCH TUBE. I'm doing my 12 year repack and rocket replacement now. The kits have changed. The igniter assembly must be detached from the bottom of the launch tube. (two screws), then replaced with a new one. Keep the tube. I had sent the rocket and igniter and tube out to bomb disposal before the new kit came back. I should have waited. As I have experience with exactly one aircraft, this detail was not obvious. I did ask Derek to update the removal manual to clearly state parts to be retained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KentWien Posted December 2, 2018 Report Share Posted December 2, 2018 Thank you for the tip. I’m doing mine in February. How was the turnaround, time-wise? kent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted December 2, 2018 Report Share Posted December 2, 2018 I have to do the chute and rocket this year. Does anybody have a write up for the dissassembly and removal of the chute and rocket? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Lee Posted December 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2018 Call me. It's easy. Takes 15-20 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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