Jim Meade Posted November 8, 2013 Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 UAT is only good for U.S., as well. The FAA is under a lot of pressure to approve UAS. One of the planned requirements is the ability to sense and avoid. The UAS people are likely to scream that all other aircraft need ADS-B or at least a transponder. One suspects this will all be part of the ingredients in the ADS-B equation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted November 8, 2013 Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 I just got an e-mail today saying that Garmin has lowered the price of the ES upgrade for the 330 to $1200. Maybe by next March it will be under $1000... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runtoeat Posted November 8, 2013 Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 Andy, right now, the Garmin GDL88 uses your current transponder's squawk code and re-transmits this out to meet ADS-B req's. If other's follow Garmin's lead, you'll be able to take the $1,000 not needed for a ES upgrade and apply this to a ADS-B transmitter/receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug G. Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 Are any of these solutions approved by FD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anticept Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 Are any of these solutions approved by FD? FD often approves reasonable avionics installations without much trouble. Sadly, new LOAs often require installation THEN approval... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 Andy, right now, the Garmin GDL88 uses your current transponder's squawk code and re-transmits this out to meet ADS-B req's. If other's follow Garmin's lead, you'll be able to take the $1,000 not needed for a ES upgrade and apply this to a ADS-B transmitter/receiver. I looked but could not find current pricing for the GDL88... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 Andy, Give Garmin Tech a call for price 866-739-5687 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S3flyer Posted November 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 FYI. I contacted Garmin and Trig and inquired as to whether an Garmin AERA 795 could be used as a non-TSO'ed position source for one of their ADS-B out compliant transponders: Garmin There are no plans to enable or allow the AERA 795 as a WAAS GPS position source for ADS-B out devices to include experimental applications. Thank you and best regards, Aaron S. Aviation Field Support Specialist And from Trig: The G795 outputs either Aviation or NMEA 0183 on RS232, so yes the TT31 will recognise the position reports. ** ** On the topic of 2020 compliance and ‘waking up ground stations’. The U.S ADS-B network is being rolled out as we speak and although there’s a 2020 mandate in place, to access the ADS-B airspace & services, you have to have a compliant solution in place now. The only reason I’m mentioning this point is because of your GPS type. The G795 whilst will talk to the TT31, and may pick up some TIS service, does not send all the necessary accuracy & integrity parameters to the transponder and thus wouldn’t be considered compliant today. The result of this may mean that you are actually refused ADS-B airspace access or services and/or ground stations may recognise you but won’t be ‘woken up’ as you had hoped, as you’re not transmitting all the info that they need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runtoeat Posted November 11, 2013 Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 Dave, good info. More pieces to the puzzle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S3flyer Posted November 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2013 Navworx has a competitor to the GDL-88 for $4K: The ADS600-BG™ is a remote mounted Universal Access Transceiver (UAT) which transmits ADS-B OUT information, as well as, receives ADS-B IN information including ADS-B, ADS-R, TIS-B traffic and FIS-B weather. Providing multiple interfaces allows the ADS600-B to support a variety of panel-mounted EFIS/MFDs and portable displays. TSO C154c certified.ADS600-BG™ includes internal TSO C145c certified WAAS GPS. Standard features include an internal 5Hz GPS, RS232 channel for an external altitude encoder, RS232 and RS422 interfaces for a variety display devices, and a secure slide-lock attachment for the DB37 system connector. Options include an ARINC 429 interface that will allow ADS-B information, including TIS-B traffic, to be displayed on devices such as the Garmin GNS 530/430. The ARINC 429 option also allows an external GPS navigator supporting the ARINC 743A standard to replace the internal GPS source. TSO C154c certified UAT with TSO C145c certified internal WAAS GPS. ADS600-BG™ Pricing: $3,800.00 - $4,000.00 Optional ARINC 429 (add $200) Roving Networks WiFi Adapter (add $159) UAT Ant., RAMI AV-74 [Certified Only] (add $94.99) UAT Ant., Delta Pop [Experimental Only] (add $69.99) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S3flyer Posted December 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2013 I installed the Skyguard ADS-B UAT transmitter in my Sting S3 and it appears to work well. I am receiving non-ADS-B traffic consistently through my GDL-39 and displayed on my 795. The installation was mounting the unit in my baggage area, taking power from my GDL-39 and sticking an antenna on my rear canopy. Technically, I don't think particular installation would be considered permanent so wouldn't require an LOA although TL-Ultralight has agreed to add it to the Sting's MEL. Also, I say appears to work since I have no way of determining how the transmission is received. I just know I'm getting ground-based ADS-B transmissions with no other ADS-B equipped aircraft in the area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runtoeat Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 Hi Dave. Does the SkyGurard include an antenna? If you have a picture of this, it would be appreciated. The SkyGuard is dual band "in/out" ADS-B, correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S3flyer Posted January 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 Hi Dick, The Skyguard comes in three versions: Receive only (think Stratus) Transmit only Transmit/Receive (aka in/out) They have two different antenna: I went with the suction cup version which works well for my canopy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runtoeat Posted January 1, 2014 Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 I think the iFly guys have done their homework. The suction antenna would work on our CT overhead skylight. Believe iFly may sell a blade type external antenna too? Forgot there's the GPS antenna. Suppose this goes up on top of the instrument panel? Can one get Bluetooth GPS antenna so it's not necessary to use a wired one? Don't mean to be a PITA with the questions but trying to get this sorted out. Appreciate the information and picture. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S3flyer Posted January 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2014 Don't know what iFly sells but I'd recommend the Delta Pop UAT blade antenna for external mount. I'm not aware of a non-wired GPS option but the products are evolving quickly. Probably best to contact them directly. Also, the transmitter cranks out pretty high power so you'll want to have the antenna around a foot away from the pilot and passenger. This may make it problematic to mount the antenna in the skylight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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