johngpilot Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 If any of you have done commercial certificate training using the CTLS I have been asked to show some evidence that this has been accomplished. The request from our India contact was: In this regard, can you support us with evidentiary proof that training towards Commercial Pilot License (CPL) is being conducted on the CTLS? What is required is a specific certified flying log book of a cadet / student / pilot who has done his CPL training on the CTLS. His log book would reflect Check Ride on CTLS for the issue of CPL. It would also have mention of the flying log w.r.t CTLS. I am sure this can be accessed through some flight school in USA that is using CTLS for CPL training. If any one can provide this as a scan of the logbook entry, it would be helpful. jgilmore@flightdesignUSA.com Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anticept Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 Hey John! You can't complete a commercial certificate using ONLY the CTLS, but we have used N566FD for most of it! The retract portion must be done in a retract aircraft. I'll have the instructor send you information. EDIT: Seems the instructor did not use N566FD for any part of the commercial checkride, because at the time it was in maintenance. Also, the 10 hour complex requirement is a big hurdle too. Unless the person has already flown a complex (10 hours need not be during training), then this will be difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coppercity Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 John, We to have done some commercial student training in our CTLS, but as mentioned above the complex portion has to be done in a complex aircraft. I will see if I can get a copy of a student book for you but it would not contain a checkride sign off for a commercial certificate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 We need a constant speed prop, retractable gear CT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastEddieB Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 We need a constant speed prop, retractable gear CT! Or just do what Cirrus did: http://news-archive....S-AIRCRAFT.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 Or just do what Cirrus did: http://news-archive....S-AIRCRAFT.aspx Neat...does simulated retractable gear qualify for the training? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastEddieB Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 Neat...does simulated retractable gear qualify for the training? Not that I know of, but the case is being made that planes like the Cirrus and Columbia are complex enough that they should qualify. As an aside, I trained Commercial applicants in my Citabrias. Chandelles, Lazy 8's, Steep Spirals, 60º Power Turns and the like are so much more fun and elegant in a tandem plane with a stick. The examiners tended to get a kick out of that portion as well. That did not eliminate the need for a complex aircraft - the applicant had to show up with a retractable and be prepared to do the maneuvers in that plane as well. But usually the examiner would limit the complex portion to just showing the applicant knows how complex planes work. That may be why the CT is being considered for the majority of the training, but I'm speculating here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S4Flier Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 We need a constant speed prop, retractable gear CT! At the risk of being chastised for mentioning a plane not built by FD, TL-Ultralight makes a retractable version of the Sting with a variable pitch prop. There was one of these in the states as a dealer demo that I almost bought but it was slightly smaller than the LSA version and my 6'4" frame wouldn't fit safely. Cruised at 135kts at 5200rpm with a MTOW of 1430lbs. Very capable plane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anticept Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 Diamond tried to get the FAA to give them an exemption using such gear simulators hooked up to speed brakes to simulate the drag. The FAA didn't accept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 At the risk of being chastised for mentioning a plane not built by FD, TL-Ultralight makes a retractable version of the Sting with a variable pitch prop. There was one of these in the states as a dealer demo that I almost bought but it was slightly smaller than the LSA version and my 6'4" frame wouldn't fit safely. Cruised at 135kts at 5200rpm with a MTOW of 1430lbs. Very capable plane. Sounds sexy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johngpilot Posted January 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2014 Thanks for the replies. I don't think I have the right data for them it was a bit of a longshot to actually get some documents but I appreciate your help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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