Roger Lee Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 Watch the video. http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/Cameras-Roll-As-Beach-Takeoff-Goes-Awry221254-1.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT4ME Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 Ouch... reminds me of the Cessna take-off crash after landing on the road and refueling... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug G. Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 The middle of the road isn't the best place to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastEddieB Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Many of us have zero experience with sloped runways. I gained some when based out of Blue Ridge Skyport. But that was upslope or downslope. But other than bush pilots, not many of us have experience with laterally sloped runways I.e. sloping away to the left or right. In this case the left slope possibly overcame even full right rudder, if in fact he applied such. Once that left main touched the surf, the fat lady had effectively sung. There but for the grace of God... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
procharger Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Dam waves, flip your plane over every time, should've waited for low tide, I love it when I learn new things from video :wub: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runtoeat Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Good lesson learned here. Don't assume a take off will go as planned - especially on unimproved surfaces. It is educational to see how just a slight differential resistance encountered to the main gear (in this example it's initially wet sand and then finally the surf) will present much more force than the directional control of the plane's rudder. One can substitute wet grass, hi grass, snow, gravel for this scenario. I can put myself in the cockpit, trying to push that right rudder through the floor with no results, and taking the ride into the surf. Not a pretty sight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Lee Posted January 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 I have taken off on numerous beaches back in the early 80's. With nose wheel steering he shouldn't have had an issue. He may not have been paying attention to the water and more on the takeoff. Matter of fact sometimes the nose wheels bites in too well in sand, especially with smaller wheels. As soon as he saw the waves coming toward him he should have turned the key off and gone right hard rudder. I know saying that now is arm chair quarterback for sure. I had a prop damaged due to water around an estuary back in 1982. The rear wheel hit a hole with water and tossed it up into my wooden prop. One glass worth of water will ruin your day. Didn't feel too bad that week as 4 people trashed props due to water. One just like the guy in the video, but he only tagged the prop. Two others went for a swim with their plane in the estuary. My prop cost back then was a whopping $180. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastEddieB Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 As soon as he saw the waves coming toward him he should have turned the key off and gone right hard rudder. I just watched it again, paying attention to the rudder. Sure looks to me like he was feeding in right rudder from the start and ended up with a lot of right rudder at the end, maybe even full. Of course, I'm not familiar with what full rudder looks like on that particular plane, but it sure looks like he was pretty heavily invested in stopping the left turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
procharger Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Its just like driving your car when you hit a big puddle we all know what that does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandpiper Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 I did a little beach work back in the 1970's. slopes and cross wind added to the adventure. I can't tell if this guy had much wind at all but usually, in my limited experience, most winds would be cross, not off the nose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 I think that will buff right out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandpiper Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 I think that will buff right out. You could patent and make big bucks with a buffer like that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anticept Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 Ouch... reminds me of the Cessna take-off crash after landing on the road and refueling... This made me cringe hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Cesnalis Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 I love the audio, 'apparently the truck that brought the fuel didn't get out of his way enough so he wound up crashing on take-off' The press often sees any crash like 'the vehicle went out of control and crashed' like the pilot or driver doesn't even play a part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WmInce Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 . . . "the beach incident is a laugh. the gas truck incident is an even bigger laugh." . . . I see no humor in either one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 I see no humor in either one. Agreed, that's just creepy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mocfly Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 the beach incident is a laugh. the gas truck incident is an even bigger laugh. I wonder if a person that you cared about was involved in an aircraft incident how much laughing you would be doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chanik Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 He actually swerved a couple feet into the road after he hit the mirror on the Semi. Then hit the fuel truck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug G. Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 I see nothing funny in these incidents, but CTLSi's response reminds me of when he called the pilot that committed suicide a "loser." I am also reminded, however, that the forum admins do not want anyone called insensitive, callous, or immature, so I won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin2 Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 Hi Doug, With that said let's all get back on track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 Hi Doug, With that said let's all get back on track. WOOF! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anticept Posted January 14, 2014 Report Share Posted January 14, 2014 There's nothing wrong with beach or highway operations if you have the proper preparation (you can operate on highways in alaska). Crap happens. Yeah it's risky, but one might argue that flying period is risky. We all have different levels of comfort. The best thing to do is try to make sure our skills meet or exceed that comfort zone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Lee Posted January 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 I agree things happen and I'm happy to have insurance when I do something with a lapse of good judgement. Insurance doesn't care if you are ignorant, stupid or accident prone. They will pay. If they didn't most people may never get an insurance settlement. If you kid takes a match and starts a house fire the insurance doesn't care, they will pay. If you do something stupid that everyone knows is a dumb thing to do in the kitchen the insurance company pays. Auto accidents aren't accidents anymore. Accidents aren't preventable collisions are preventable, but insurance still pays for your not so bright maneuver. Quote: "Or, you takeoff on a parking lot road with people standing on the side along with a large truck obviously not back far enough to give clearance fora wing. Are these accidents? Or stunts? I say they are stunts, and are a laugh mainly due to the utter and absolute stupidity of the pilots involved." I think these were just a lapse of good judgement and lack or paying attention to detail further down the path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastEddieB Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 I think there is some correlation between overall experience and one's attitude towards things like this. It may relate to "The Killing Zone". A zone where a pilot has enough experience to think he's getting good, but not enough to realize all the pitfalls. Clip a truck on a takeoff? I can see myself doing that, having misjudged wingtip position before. Fail to adequately compensate for a sloped beach? I can see myself doing that, never having taken off from a beach before. Land at the wrong airport? I can see myself doing that, but have always managed to catch my errors in time (so far). And so on. Now, I've never done any of those things, nor do I plan to do so. But Lord knows I've done some idiotic things in planes over the years. I just think higher time pilots have seen the types of errors they make, and other pilots make - too many to assume they're immune. To be clear, this is not aimed at anyone in particular, just an overall observation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Lee Posted January 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 I agree with you Eddie. No one is immune it just might not be your turn in the barrel yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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