gbigs Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 ..... BRS Safety Alert.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Cesnalis Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 I don't see CTSW , or CT2K, ... etc. on the model list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Lee Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 I have never seen a non collared pick up collar and I have never seen a cable routed over the launch projectile. This must be something new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Baker Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 There was a BRS bulletin thar covered this back in 2007, but there must be some that slipped through the cracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 There was probably just one that got done wrong and it's causing a panic at the factory among the liability lawyers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WmInce Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 BRS is a waste of money and weight . . . . until you need to use one. . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 BRS is a waste of money and weight . . . . until you need to use one. . . . Just like seatbelts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Cesnalis Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Bike helmets are the exception: http://www.cnet.com/news/brain-surgeon-theres-no-point-wearing-cycle-helmets/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredG Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Re, bicycle helmets, from the American College of Surgeons: (http://bulletin.facs.org/2014/09/statement-on-bicycle-safety-and-the-promotion-of-bicycle-helmet-use/) "[bicycle] Helmets reduce the risk of head injury by at least 45 percent, brain injury by 33 percent, facial injury by 27 percent, and fatal injury by 29 percent. One study suggests that helmet use may reduce the risk of head injury by 85 percent and severe brain injury by 88 percent." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug G. Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 This reminds me of when I was in the hospital shorter getting hit by a car on my motorcycle. (I was wearing a helmet or I probably would not have made it to the hospital.) The chaplain told me that most motorcycle accidents are the fault of car drivers...I didn't feel one bit better. Statistics don't help injuries when you are in pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Cesnalis Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 The British brain surgeon's point was that when motorists see cyclists with helmets the motorists sense less risk and drive closer to the cyclist resulting in even more risk to the cyclist than he would experience without a flimsy bike helmet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastEddieB Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 It seems simple... If given a choice, would you rather smack your head against the pavement with or without a bicycle helmet? Hard for me to imagine anyone choosing "without"! And many bicycle mishaps do not involve another vehicle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Cesnalis Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 That ignores the other choice(s) presented and presupposes your head smacking pavement. The argument against the bicycle helmet address the increased likelihood of a collision with a motorist that changed their safety margin to your detriment as well as the ineffectiveness of the flimsy helmets when their protection is needed. I might choose to ride in an environment where the cars keep a safe distance and don't take my helmet as a signal to drive extra close. I would also choose to wear a real helmet to protect my head from trauma in a collision with a car or truck if I did choose to wear one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 I generally stay off of two wheeled ground vehicles of any type. My experiences with them, both riding and investigating accidents as a Police Officer, have shown that they significantly reduce life expectancy. Problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastEddieB Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 If that is a valid scientific survey, I must say it's conclusion astounds me. I mean, when I'm about to pass a cyclist, the very first thing I do is to determine if he or she is wearing a helmet, so I know exactly how close to cut it. NOT!!! Maybe I'm an odd egg, but I don't think "helmet/no helmet" ever intrudes on my conscious mind. I think after passing most cyclists, if you asked my if they were wearing a helmet, I could not tell you. Anyway, sorry for the huge hijack, but this seems to be one of CharlieTango's pet issues! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Cesnalis Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 The closer proximity wasn't determined by a survey but by research from the UK's University of Bath. A survey would suggest a conscious choice, but to me, this is a subconscious issue. It is too illogical to do on purpose. Not so much a pet issue as characterizing it correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug G. Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Key word is "suggests" which is to say it is not very authoritative. I find it interesting that it makes a difference how old you are. It is suggested that kids still wear helmets. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Cesnalis Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Suggest was my word. I think for kids the key element was a high percentage of low speed crashes, impacts that didn't overwhelm the flimsy helmets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug G. Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 According to the 2006 study you should wear a long wig for the best protection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredG Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 CT, regarding bicycle helmets, you are entitled to your own opinions, but you are not entitled to your own facts. Bicycle riders wearing helmets die (and experience major head injury) less frequently than bicycle riders not wearing helmets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug G. Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Yes, there are always people who will disagree with nearly anything. The 2006 study says nothing about methodology or controls. Could it be, for instance that bike riders felt safer with helmets on and rode closer to traffic? What was the control? Did the same riders ride with helmets and without, how was the distance measured? Did the subjects know the purpose of the study? The conclusions drawn are suspect from the beginning since the person doing the study was a psychologist who had been injured by vehicles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WmInce Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Very interesting. This topic warrants further discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Cesnalis Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Fred, These aren't my facts, the research was done at the University of Bath and the thinking is from Dr. Henry Marsh, a neurosurgeon at St. George's Hospital in London. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Regardless of the prudence or imprudence of wearing a helmet, I'm all for people making their own decisions and choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredG Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 CT, there is a large literature on this topic. Choosing one study and the opinion of one "expert" is a kind of cherry-picking that doesn't do a good job of sorting reality. To best understand what is known from empirical observation, the full literature needs to be assessed. This has been done by several credible organizations and they all agree on the conclusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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