Dan Kent Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 If the Cessna 150 had and ADS-B in and out installed (like a Dynon trains and ADS-B box) would the Cessna have seen the F-16? Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anticept Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 If the F-16 used ADS-B out, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Kent Posted July 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 Would ground radar paint the F-16? If so then the Cessna would receive an uplink of their radar. I just don't know if it will show up on the radar. Do military aircraft have ADS-B (in and out)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anticept Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 Most do, yes. They've also been using Mode S transponders forever now. You can pick them up on TCAS and other traffic systems. They do turn them off when they don't want to be found, but you won't be anywhere near their airspace in such cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Kent Posted July 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 Thanks Corey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 I can find evidence that the USAF started looking at equipping their transports with ADS-B in 2012 but nothing telling me that the F-16 has such capability. In fact, I found a contract proposal indicating that they are just now starting to look at integrating it into their nav systems. I can believe they do have Mode S transponders that would show up on TCAS. Same holds true for the Navy; they're just now letting out contract proposals for outfitting their T-6's. Found an article stating Navy P-3's were outfitted in 2014; so they are probably following the same route as the USAF, i.e., transports first, and the others later. ADS-B is going to be a help but "eyeballs out" is really still going to be the best assurance we have. And ADS-B use, as well as all the other electronic goodies we are all using, are going to tend to pull us "heads-down" inside the aircraft. There is a trade-off... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbigs Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 I can find evidence that the USAF started looking at equipping their transports with ADS-B in 2012 but nothing telling me that the F-16 has such capability. In fact, I found a contract proposal indicating that they are just now starting to look at integrating it into their nav systems. I can believe they do have Mode S transponders that would show up on TCAS. Same holds true for the Navy; they're just now letting out contract proposals for outfitting their T-6's. Found an article stating Navy P-3's were outfitted in 2014; so they are probably following the same route as the USAF, i.e., transports first, and the others later. ADS-B is going to be a help but "eyeballs out" is really still going to be the best assurance we have. And ADS-B use, as well as all the other electronic goodies we are all using, are going to tend to pull us "heads-down" inside the aircraft. There is a trade-off... I have been using ADS-B for over a year and a half. The frequency of looking at the panel is less than other information on gauges or in my case PFD. When the audible warning is heard my first reaction is look outside and try to see the aircraft...if I don't see it immediately I look at the panel for the target. Handhelds pose a far bigger problem, especially if they are not mounted - or are strapped to a kneeboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 Inside the cockpit is inside the cockpit. If the display is mounted in the panel, on your knee, or stuck to the ceiling makes little difference. Your eyes are either outside or inside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Cesnalis Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 I'd like my traffic on a HUDIS, maybe projected on glasses where the display changes as i turn my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 I'd like my traffic on a HUDIS, maybe projected on glasses where the display changes as i turn my head. Standby... http://glass.aero/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anticept Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 Standby... http://glass.aero/ Jesus that website is terrible on mobile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 The technology is really cool; but my bet is it will tend to make people fly with eyes straight ahead and your head barely moving. How often do you think you'll be scanning from 45 degrees aft side to side wearing that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 Jesus that website is terrible on mobile. It's actually terrible on *any* device. I haven't seen any updates on this in 6-9 months. It might have withered on the vine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 The technology is really cool; but my bet is it will tend to make people fly with eyes straight ahead and your head barely moving. How often do you think you'll be scanning from 45 degrees aft side to side wearing that? Why move your head...it scans for traffic for you! Honestly, if you watch the video the information they want is WAY too busy. HITS boxes every second or two all the way to the flare on landing? No thanks! They need to use HITS only in cruise, and one box every 60 seconds is plenty. You want to still see the world. And the airspace depictions are cool, but distracting. Having ADS-B traffic targets displayed in their actual position relative to your plane and some of that other stuff could be really nice, but I'm not sure if it would be worth wearing that thing on your head to get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anticept Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 I think something working with google glass would be fantastic. It would make IFR training much easier! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 I think something working with google glass would be fantastic. It would make IFR training much easier! http://flightclub.jalopnik.com/this-is-what-it-looks-like-to-fly-a-plane-with-google-g-1552646899 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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