DJ Todd B Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 Has anyone installed and/or have photos of BETTER safety Belts used for the CTLS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NC Bill Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 Try http://www.crowenterprizes.com/ Call them and tell them what aircraft it's for. They have done several CTs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Todd B Posted May 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 Great, Thanks Bill. If there is anyone that has actually purchased these for use in their CTSW or CTLS, Please CHIME IN and let me know if they work better than the STOCK ones that won't stay tight. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 1 hour ago, NC Bill said: Try http://www.crowenterprizes.com/ Call them and tell them what aircraft it's for. They have done several CTs. Where do you attach the crotch / anti-submarine belt to the airframe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 BTW, IIRC somebody on the forums had a custom harness made by Hooker also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT_MATT Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 I used Crow for my LS and can say it was worth every penny. Still have the originals in case it was ever an issue down the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben2k9 Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 2 hours ago, CT_MATT said: I used Crow for my LS and can say it was worth every penny. Still have the originals in case it was ever an issue down the road. How many pennies did it cost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madhatter Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 Aviation Safety Products for rewebbing. Got quote of 216 each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredG Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 I have posted on this topic on CTflier in the past (including photos). Several years ago, I installed a set of Crow 5-point harnesses (2" webbing) in my 2006 CTsw (Experimental registration) and I am very happy with the upgrade. For the lap and shoulder, I used the original metal belt keepers (flat u-shaped metal brackets) to anchor the straps to the airframe. The anti-sub belt is attached to an extra metal belt keeper bolted to the bulkhead under the seat with a second metal keeper just in front of the seat (so that the belt comes up from the floor just in front of the seat). All keepers mounted to the bulkhead under the floor have either oversize washers or aluminum plates to distribute the load. I have no idea whether the anti-sub attachment would withstand the load of a crash without failing. I do believe that it is substantially better than no anti-sub belt, which is what I had with the factory harness. The aftermarket belts do not loosen. They do not slip off of my shoulders. They are comfortable. They do take more time to don than the factory harness (removal is simply a twist of the lever on the cam lock "buckle"). Overall, I would make this upgrade again in a second. Captain obvious: Seat belts are critical safety equipment. Do not rely on my modification as the basis or justification for your modification. I present my experience for your entertainment and not as a guide for your safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 Thanks Fred, that's good info. I'm adding the Crow belts to my list of near future upgrades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Todd B Posted May 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 I contacted CROW yesterday and they said to send them some photos along with the lengths of what we already have so they do not have to re-invent the wheel. Send it to info@crowsafety.com Each harness was only going to be around $80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 Wow, cheap! Once you get the measurements please share them with us or ask Crow to keep them on file, so that the others of us interested can use the measurements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 I just had a conversation about this with a coworker who is also a semi-professional drag racer (second in the nation last year in his NHRA division). He says he prefers the "latch and link" style harness buckle over the twist-style camlock. He said the reason is that if you end up upside down, with the camlock it's possible that the weight hanging in the harness can put enough pressure on the mechanism that it cannot be opened. His recommendation is for this harness: https://www.summitracing.com/parts/vms-711001 This harness has bolt-in plates at the ends, but the harness can be unthreaded and the plates removed and threaded through our U-attach brackets. It's infinitely adjustable in all directions, so no special measurements are required before ordering. And identical harnesses are in use in 300mph top-fuel drag cars, so it's certainly strong enough for our our little airplanes. My friend is going to look through his supplies and see if he has an old harness (they have to replace them every 2 years by NHRA rules) for me to try out. If he doesn't, I'll just order one. I can always return it if it doesn't fit or work out for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ls6pilot Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 part number 30104 Crow enterprizes 2 X 2 UTV RESTRAINT HARNESS SEWN INTO LAP BELT These fit without alteration 90 bucks a seat with shipping. Latch and link buckle and padded shoulder staps. I love them Rich crow belt.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WmInce Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 2 hours ago, FlyingMonkey said: . . . . he prefers the "latch and link" style harness buckle over the twist-style camlock. He said the reason is that if you end up upside down, with the camlock it's possible that the weight hanging in the harness can put enough pressure on the mechanism that it cannot be opened. His recommendation is for this harness: https://www.summitracing.com/parts/vms-711001 I used those those harness locks in the military. They worked extremely well . . . even upside down! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 Which ones Bill? The camlocks or the latch and link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WmInce Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 8 hours ago, FlyingMonkey said: Which ones Bill? The camlocks or the latch and link? Latch and link. Super strong, no binding and can be quickly released. Couple that to enertia reel shoulder straps and you've got a real winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 Does anybody have inertia reels installed in a CT? If so, how did you go about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ober Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 I would be interested in making this upgrade to my CTLS. I'm assuming that this would require authorization from Flight Design - right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 1 hour ago, David Ober said: I would be interested in making this upgrade to my CTLS. I'm assuming that this would require authorization from Flight Design - right? If you own an SLSA, then yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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