Bill3558 Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 Gents, if I have an A&P remove my chute for repacking, can I still legally fly the airplane without it? Where can I find the removal and installation instructions? Don’t see it in the FD documents. Thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Baker Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 http://documents.flightdesignusa.com/Airworthiness_SW.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BravoFoxtrot Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 Tom gave you the form you need in the above link. Here are some more forms:http://flightdesignusa.com/support/resources/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill3558 Posted October 12, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2020 Thanks guys. I’m getting a server fault message, but apparently there is a bulletin on this very issue. Will try again later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandpiper Posted October 12, 2020 Report Share Posted October 12, 2020 This has been discussed in the past on this forum. If I remember correctly, you can fly the plane to the nearest facility that is authorized to remove the BRS, then home again. When it is ready to be reinstalled you can fly back to have the work done. And, as I recall, there is paperwork required for these flights without the BRS to include new weight and balance. Of course, if you are ELS-A, these rules don't apply but amodified W & B may be prudent. If I have misrepresented anything here I hope somebody will correct me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTDan Posted October 12, 2020 Report Share Posted October 12, 2020 Is there any way, if you’re ELSA, you can know whether the chute is in need of repack? In other words, I wouldn’t replace a great running engine because it hit TBO.... If I could be assured the chute & rocket were in good condition, I’d be tempted to delay that maintenance too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Lee Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 Going ELSA does not exempt you from time limited parts replacement or maint. You need to read your entire new operating limitations to see what it requires. They are not all the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTDan Posted October 14, 2020 Report Share Posted October 14, 2020 21 hours ago, Roger Lee said: Going ELSA does not exempt you from time limited parts replacement or maint. You need to read your entire new operating limitations to see what it requires. They are not all the same. I’d like to be sure that it is clear, especially since I am new to the forum... I have no interest in flying an unsafe aircraft & wouldn’t want to portray myself as anything less than a very cautious pilot That said, thank you for the response. I’ve spent my flying time part 91 normal airplane category, & I really don’t know that much about slsa or elsa regulations. Ive skimmed the FAR/AIM, but the differences are not readily apparent.... probably because I’m not sure what I’m looking for. Please feel free to school me on the etiquette of the forum, (as well as anything else, I didn’t want to hijack the thread), but I’d sure like any direction towards a recap of the difference between the flying I’m used to & LSA flying. For instance... I know I can’t fly IFR, but I’m a bit confused about night flight? Again, I’m sorry for the hijack & would only ask for directions to the right area. Thanks Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Baker Posted October 14, 2020 Report Share Posted October 14, 2020 Dan, when dealing with SLSA, ELSA, or any experimental for that matter, operating limitations take on additional meaning. You still have the same limitations from a pilot standpoint when flying the airplane, oil temp, oil pressure, ect.. There is a document attached to the airworthiness certificate that states operational requirements for the aircraft. It covers things like where the airplane can be flown, maintenance intervals. For ELSA it may or may not permit IFR or night flight, but if it is permitted it will give a reference to the required instrumentation. So if you are dealing with a ELSA or converting one to ELSA you need to closely look at the language in the operating limitations to make sure it suits your needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTDan Posted October 15, 2020 Report Share Posted October 15, 2020 11 hours ago, Tom Baker said: Dan, when dealing with SLSA, ELSA, or any experimental for that matter, operating limitations take on additional meaning. You still have the same limitations from a pilot standpoint when flying the airplane, oil temp, oil pressure, ect.. There is a document attached to the airworthiness certificate that states operational requirements for the aircraft. It covers things like where the airplane can be flown, maintenance intervals. For ELSA it may or may not permit IFR or night flight, but if it is permitted it will give a reference to the required instrumentation. So if you are dealing with a ELSA or converting one to ELSA you need to closely look at the language in the operating limitations to make sure it suits your needs. Well... I’m supposed to pick up my, new to me, CTSW Oct 22... Pending any unforeseen issues, I’ll be flying it home over the long weekend. Im pretty pumped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGLyme Posted October 15, 2020 Report Share Posted October 15, 2020 looking forward to your pics and stories... how long is the flight? Have fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTDan Posted October 15, 2020 Report Share Posted October 15, 2020 20 hours ago, AGLyme said: looking forward to your pics and stories... how long is the flight? Have fun. It looks like it will be about 7.5 hours of flight if I don't deviate a lot. If the weather is good I may extend the trip a bit. If the weather is bad.... well then I will have to extend the trip! I'll do my best to get a few pics along the way and post them up. Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGLyme Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 That was how about as long As my flight from Mt Vernon IL back to CT recently. If you plan on making long legs like I did (first leg was 6 hours) wear shorts... much easier for the pee activity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 Does anybody have a current working link for the BRS removal instructions? The installation link on FDUSA website is fine, but the link to the removal instructions is broken. I need to help somebody remove one this weekend and it's been long enough since I did one that I need to review the procedure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Lee Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 Hi Andy, It's easy. Give me a call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Meade Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 Here is the document I used dated 2020. Caveat emptor BRS Install.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 8 hours ago, Jim Meade said: Here is the document I used dated 2020. Caveat emptor BRS Install.pdf 2.76 MB · 0 downloads Yeah that's the assembly instructions. IIRC there is a separate removal document. I know you can just reverse the steps, but I want to make sure there are no gotchas in doing it that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Lee Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 It takes about 15 min. If you know what to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Baker Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 Make sure the pin is in the handle. Remove the clear plastic panels for access. Remove the plastic plug to gain access to the screw securing the cable to the ignitor. Remove the screw with a 1/8" hex bit. Unscrew the cap to completely remove the cable. Open the carabiner and disconnect the airframe straps. Remove the six nuts from the suds holding the parachute in the airplane. It helps to have someone hold pressure against the chute while removing the last nut. Remove the parachute from the baggage area. remove the two breakaway screws from the pickup collar. Remove the three screws securing the rocket to the shelf. You may need to remove the two Philips head screws to remove the rocket from the shelf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulmo133 Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 Hi I profit of this topic, because I read the manual above and saw that there 3 attachment points for the BRS parachute... I have a Magnum 501 and I just have the two attachment points on the motor support not the third one. Do somebody have the same thing ? Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 4 hours ago, Roger Lee said: It takes about 15 min. If you know what to do. Agreed, I've done it before a couple of times. It's just been a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 4 hours ago, Tom Baker said: Make sure the pin is in the handle. Remove the clear plastic panels for access. Remove the plastic plug to gain access to the screw securing the cable to the ignitor. Remove the screw with a 1/8" hex bit. Unscrew the cap to completely remove the cable. Open the carabiner and disconnect the airframe straps. Remove the six nuts from the suds holding the parachute in the airplane. It helps to have someone hold pressure against the chute while removing the last nut. Remove the parachute from the baggage area. remove the two breakaway screws from the pickup collar. Remove the three screws securing the rocket to the shelf. You may need to remove the two Philips head screws to remove the rocket from the shelf. Perfect...that's what I was seeing, it's good to see the whole procedure put so concisely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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