procharger Posted January 7, 2023 Report Share Posted January 7, 2023 Called yesterday to check on prices $4,300 for both dam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrett Gee Posted January 7, 2023 Report Share Posted January 7, 2023 1 hour ago, procharger said: Called yesterday to check on prices $4,300 for both dam. Ouch. Mine is coming due. Thanks for the info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Towner Posted January 7, 2023 Report Share Posted January 7, 2023 They are pretty cheap to maintain, except for the chutes and the 5 year rubber change. Just had the rubber change done and have to repack the chute in 2 years. Ouch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tip Posted January 7, 2023 Report Share Posted January 7, 2023 Did they give you a lead time. My friend was down for 2 months last August. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anticept Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 If you're E-LSA you can always just ignore that interval or remove the system completely. I live in a place where it's corn everywhere, flat fields upon flat fields, so honestly these things don't do me much good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warmi Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 7 minutes ago, Anticept said: If you're E-LSA you can always just ignore that interval or remove the system completely. I live in a place where it's corn everywhere, flat fields upon flat fields, so honestly these things don't do me much good. So people used to say about seat belts … I never get in accidents , these things don’t do me much good … Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anticept Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 I fully support car seat belts because in half a second you might need em even through no fault of your own. Can't do anything about that. For flying, I'd need a wing to come off to have that same level of risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrett Gee Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 3 hours ago, Anticept said: If you're E-LSA you can always just ignore that interval or remove the system completely. I live in a place where it's corn everywhere, flat fields upon flat fields, so honestly these things don't do me much good. Trust me, highly thinking about it... I fly in the Mississippi Delta. Nothing but flat fields and wide open highways. Oh, and an airport (or crop duster strip) about every 10 miles... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warmi Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 3 hours ago, Anticept said: I fully support car seat belts because in half a second you might need em even through no fault of your own. Can't do anything about that. … It is exactly the same with flying … empty fields ( which I have plenty of here in IL ) cover only one type of failure - engine out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anticept Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 I'm not worried about things other than engine failures in a CT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Lee Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 "If you're E-LSA you can always just ignore that interval or remove the system completely." Not if the DAR that took it to ELSA wrote in the operating limitations that you must comply with all MFG's parts replacement times and also added that any aircraft alteration be approved by a FSDO. Those two sentences are in many operating limitation documents and from what I have heard they may be making it mandatory to have those DAR's add that. Some that went to ELSA didn't have those sentences added, but others did. If I had gone to ELSA I would pull my documents out and read every sentence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anticept Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 DARs who add those lines don't understand why E-LSA exists. It's in the NPRM, Preamble, and an advisory circular explicitly stating it's a way to escape manufacturer imposed requirements and is even an alternative to complying with safety directives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airhound Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 …..or at least coordinate the verbiage beforehand. If it’s negotiable? Anybody know of any reversals/ELSA back to SLSA? Maybe MFGs worked that verbiage in for that reason, to limit ELSA just to allow LSR-I’s to perform ACI? Just looking for some logic here…..oK pile on fellas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Lee Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 " stating it's a way to escape manufacturer imposed requirements and is even an alternative to complying with safety directives." Exactly, and that leads to aircraft incidents and owners doing things they have no business doing due to lack of real researched data. That may be why I heard through the grapevine they are looking at making those two sentences mandatory. Owners drive the regulations just like our laws. A few ruin it for the masses. Plus when you do alterations that caused an incident you are far more liable for changing things. You'll have less protections in court and liable suits. The lawyers will ask you where you got your fact based information that what you did was safe compared to the other thousands that don't do it that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
procharger Posted January 8, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 Lead time 4 to 6 wks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Towner Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 Just curious, what does it cost for the chute repack only? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Baker Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 Why is this thread in the Rotax/Engine section? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Towner Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 32 minutes ago, Tom Baker said: Why is this thread in the Rotax/Engine section? Cause when the rotax fails, you might need the chute? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anticept Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 9 hours ago, Roger Lee said: " stating it's a way to escape manufacturer imposed requirements and is even an alternative to complying with safety directives." Exactly, and that leads to aircraft incidents and owners doing things they have no business doing due to lack of real researched data. That may be why I heard through the grapevine they are looking at making those two sentences mandatory. Owners drive the regulations just like our laws. A few ruin it for the masses. Plus when you do alterations that caused an incident you are far more liable for changing things. You'll have less protections in court and liable suits. The lawyers will ask you where you got your fact based information that what you did was safe compared to the other thousands that don't do it that way. On the flip side there is NO ONE ELSE that you can go to for alternate means of compliance. So if you get a manufacturer that's overstepping, it's very difficult to fight it because you have to find someone who cares enough in the FAA to convince said safety directive / requirements aren't to ASTM spec. I would not mind so much if I had multiple avenues to take like in standard airworthiness aircraft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Baker Posted January 8, 2023 Report Share Posted January 8, 2023 3 hours ago, Towner said: Cause when the rotax fails, you might need the chute? I think you are more likely to need it if you haver an airframe failure. So it should be in the airframe section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airhound Posted January 9, 2023 Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 It would be great if there was an automatic failsafe that switches on the aux pump if the main begins to fail. Especially down low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingMonkey Posted January 9, 2023 Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 15 hours ago, airhound said: It would be great if there was an automatic failsafe that switches on the aux pump if the main begins to fail. Especially down low. My aux pump is gravity! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BravoFoxtrot Posted January 9, 2023 Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 On 1/8/2023 at 12:26 PM, Towner said: Just curious, what does it cost for the chute repack only? According to the BRS website - chute repack $2,181. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Towner Posted January 9, 2023 Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 2 hours ago, BravoFoxtrot said: According to the BRS website - chute repack $2,181. Geez, airplanes are expensive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airhound Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 19 hours ago, FlyingMonkey said: My aux pump is gravity! Wonder what the operating limits are with just gravity fed fuel flow? Maybe it should read, “to ensure uninterrupted flight and passenger comfort, aim the plane downhill at 45 degree’s or greater, like a WW2 German JU87, Stuka, whilst screaming out the window in a high pitched shrill, making Stuka noises, to ensure a safe arrival”! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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